British Government's position re Norfolk Island

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11-Jun-2017 03:24 PM

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Norfolk Island written question 61147  Jan 26 2017

Question :  Catherine West(Hornsey and Wood Green): To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, what discussions he has had with his Australian counterpart on the constitutional status and sovereignty of Norfolk Island.

Answer: 

 Foreign and Commonwealth Office Ministers have not discussed Norfolk Island with their Australian counterparts.Norfolk Island has been a Territory of Australia since 1914 and its governance is a matter for Australia.

That seems clear enough, so despite meetings and letters and a visit from Mr Rossindell and his mates, nothing is likely to occur on that front.

Perhaps Andre needs to go to London again.

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12-Jun-2017 06:34 AM

Captain Cook

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Should he also call in at the UN and rattle a few cages there? Or would it better to take a trip via South Korea? Do you earn more frequent flier points via the US or Asia? 

Perhaps the folks at RealStew Fake Bank are also up for another meeting? Shouldn't we be the financial hub of the Pacific by now?

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14-Jun-2017 07:23 PM

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It's a shame, a big shame that lots of people believe in the twaddle peddled by Andre Nobbs. He has exploited some Islanders desire to be more than what they are. They have a heritage, a story and a real piece of history to call there own - as we all do to a greater or lesser degree.

But pride only takes you so far and remember, it is one of the 7 deadly sins. Time to move on.

Norfolk Island is now and will continue to prosper as a result of the changes. We will not go back - we will go forward in spite of the Andre Nobbses of this world to whom ego is more important than fairness and humility.

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15-Jun-2017 04:07 PM

The Socratic Signifier

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Written Question Written Question: http://myparliament.info/WrittenQuestions/Detail/169027


What you omit to mention Fred is that the question was answered - dismissively - by the TORY Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (Minister for Asia and the Pacific) ... Indian-born,  Alok Sharma MP - who from 2012 to 2015 served as a Conservative Party Vice Chairman.   Sharma is a former BANKSTER & acolyte of neoliberal-extremist Margaret Thatcher.     He'd be so far up the alley of gold-standard neoliberal-pratts like Tony Abbott & Malcom Turnbull ... as to be cohabiting with tapeworms.


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15-Jun-2017 04:09 PM

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  1. NBB also:

    Alok Sharma has generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights

    TheyWorkForYou has automatically calculated this MP’s stance based on all of their votes on the topic. You can browse the source data on PublicWhip.org.uk.:  

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24902/alok_sharma/reading_west/divisions?policy=6703
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15-Jun-2017 04:13 PM

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a tawdry addenda:

Sharma also appears to be something of a wide-eyed fan of the Chinese Kleptocracy:

cf.   Why is this Tory minister writing propaganda for the Chinese dictatorship?


1)  The BBC called the paper "state-run."

 2)  According to a 1993 book, China Daily is run by Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China.

vide: 北京: 当代中国出版社. p. 446. ISBN 7-80092-500-5.

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  1. Contents  
  2.  Petitions  
  3.  OBSERVATIONS  
  4.  Foreign and Commonwealth Office  

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15-Jun-2017 04:43 PM

The Socratic Signifier

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Hey Fred,  as far as I'm concerned,  André is the best thing to happen to Norfolk in the entire post-WWII era - ie. for as long as I've been around.


He's right up there with CCR, EY & Rick - as Norfolk Island folk hero's,  in my book.


We've always been a democratically-inclined polity, so you're as much entitled to endlessly re-parrot your inconsequential drivel in public forums as anyone else.

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What you are NOT entitled to do however, is presume to tell us who we are - OR who we ought to be.
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In time-honoured Norfolk tradition - I'm happy to advise you, that if your don't like who we are, or who we aspire to be ... feel free to piss-off back to where you came from & take a couple of yer dopey mates with ya - those other Drongo-Deadshits - Max Stevens & Gary Hardgraves - would be a good start.


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14-JUN-2017 07:23 PM

morepork

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It's a shame, a big shame that lots of people believe in the twaddle peddled by Andre Nobbs. He has exploited some Islanders desire to be more than what they are. They have a heritage, a story and a real piece of history to call there own - as we all do to a greater or lesser degree.

But pride only takes you so far and remember, it is one of the 7 deadly sins. Time to move on.

Norfolk Island is now and will continue to prosper as a result of the changes. We will not go back - we will go forward in spite of the Andre Nobbses of this world to whom ego is more important than fairness and humility.

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17-Jun-2017 07:21 PM

morepork

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A democratically elected member of the British Government simply states the truth... that Norfolk Island is a matter for the Australian government, and all you can do is attack him and imply that because he is of Indian birth his position, even as a representative of a government you an your mates have been trying to suck up to, is irrelevant.

Your position has no credibility. I am pleased that someone with such a jaundiced view of the world does not live among us on Norfolk Island. New Zealand is welcome to you and your undemocratic racist view of the world.

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18-Jun-2017 08:32 PM

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Fred,  you're an even bigger Drongo-Dumbarse than I thought you were ... clearly the
point of mentioning Sharma's Indian provenance was to highlight - by contradistinction - 
Catherine West's Australian provenance in general & Sydney-sider background in particular.

Or ... didn't you know that?!?!?

Quite obviously West Shadow Minister (Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs) ] - who is as 
much a part of the British governmental structure as 
Sharma  is - could be expected to have 
a much greater understanding of Norfolk's history 
than Sharma would.

You also completely ignored the fact that Sharma did not answer the actual
question which was asked of him:
 

QUESTION:

To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs;
  • what discussions he has had with his Australian counterpart 
a) on the constitutional status  [ Sharma said nothing re. this in his evasive & dismissive response]
 
and 

b) sovereignty [ Sharma said nothing re. this in his evasive & dismissive response]

....of Norfolk Island.


to be continued....

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18-Jun-2017 08:34 PM

The Socratic Signifier

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EVASIVE & DISMISSIVE RESPONSE:

​1) Foreign and Commonwealth Office Ministers have not discussed Norfolk Island with their Australian counterparts. [WRONG - there are no Australian 'counterparts', plural, there is only the one Foreign Minister]

2) Norfolk Island has been a Territory of Australia since 1914  [WRONG - cf. the following facts: ]
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Norfolk Island is - under public international law - a 'Dependent Territory' ... "under the authority" of the Commonwealth of Australia; ... ie. it is not & never has been an "integral part" of the Australian Federation; ... as so many clueless Australian politicians are now claiming.

As a non-self-governing territory, it should have been inscribed - by Canberra - on the UN List of Non Self-Governing Territories on Saturday 14 December 1946; ... as per UN GA Resolution A/RES/66(1).

Canberra was derelict in it's duty & obligations as an 'Administering Power' under the terms of the UN Charter ... it's toxic-mutant chickens are now coming home to roost.

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 ...and 

3) its governance is a matter for Australia. [ WRONG ANSWER - vis-à-vis  the actual question asked]


to be continued.....

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18-Jun-2017 08:36 PM

The Socratic Signifier

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...& furthermore:


  • your claim:



"A democratically elected member of the British Government simply states the truth... that Norfolk Island is a matter for the Australian government..." 


  • the actual truth:  



Sharma completely elided the actual question & actually said: "...it's [ie. Norfolk's] GOVERNANCE is a matter for Australia ... ie. HE DID NOT SAY - "...Norfolk Island is a matter for the Australian government..."  as per your mendacious claim.



...& furthermore:



Given that you're now freely bandying the 'R' word around ... perhaps you'd like to speak to the topic of why it is that we 
haven't heard a peep out of you re. Tony Abbott's policy of 'ethnocide' [ie. the definitive reification of the 'R' word] of the 
autochthonous Norfolk Islanders ... & yet the mere mention of Sharma's Indian provenance is - according to your 
feeble thought processes - 'racist'....




Please explain.





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Phone : 020 7219 6141

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